The difference between truth and fact is that fact is something that cannot be combated with reasoning, for it is logic itself. But truth is something which ...
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I'mcuriousaboutthedifferencebetweenFactandTruth.IwassearchingontheinternetifIcouldfindit.ButstillI'mconfusedabouttheexactmeaning.
Ifirstreadtheforumdiscussionhere
FactandTruthwhereanauthorhasgiventwoexamplesforeachlikebelow
Afactisarealitythatcannotbelogicallydisputedorrejected.If
Isay"fireishot,"Idon'tcarehowgreatyourreasoningskillsare,
ifyoutouchfireyourskinwillburn(anddon'tgivemethat"but
peoplecanwalkonhotcoals!"bull.There'sadifferencebetweenthe
transferofheatthroughconductionandtrainingone'sbodytodeal
withtheagonizingpainofsaidconduction).NowwhenIsaythis,Iam
notspeakingatruth,Iamspeakingafact.Ifyousay"fireisnot
hot,"youarenotlying,youareincorrect.Factsareconcrete
realitiesthatnoamountofreasoningwillchange.Whenone
acknowledgesafact,theyaredoingjustthat.Factsarenot
discovered,factsarenotcreated,factsaresimplyacknowledged.
Atruthontheotherhand,isalmosttheopposite.Truthsarethose
thingsthatarenotsimplyacknowledged,butmustbediscovered,or
created.IfIsay"Godexists,"andIpossessstrongreasoningforthe
affirmativeofthatstatement,thenGodreallydoesexist,thatisa
reality.However,ifanotherindividualpossessesstrongreasoningfor
thenegative,andbecauseofthisreasoningtheybelievethatGoddoes
notexist,thenthatisalsoareality.Ifweweretodebateour
ideologies,andmyreasoningappearedstrongerthantheirs,theymay
choosetoadoptmybeliefthatGoddoesexist.Iftheydo,thenthe
existenceofGodisjustastrueasthenonexistenceofGodwhichthey
believedaweekago.Truths,asopposedtofact,aremuchmorefluid
andmalleablethantheirempiricalcounterparts.
andfollowedbyfurtherdiscussion.
ThenIfoundthisReference.
Articlefromabovelinksayslikebelow:
Factsarenotesandlyricsonsheetmusic.Truthiswhatthesinger
givestothelistenerwhenshe’sbraveenoughtoopenupandsingfrom
herheart.
Butstillcuriousaboutthedifferencebetweenbothofthem.
Inourdailylife,ingeneralconversation,wegenerallyusethesebothtermsinterchangeably.Thenwhatisthedifference?Aretheysynonymorhavespecificdifference?
logicphilosophy-of-sciencetruthdifference
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Twothoughts:(1)Idon'tunderstandthesecondquote,(2)theauthorofthefirstquoteisdescribing,admittedlyinanimpreciseway,theusualanalytic/syntheticdistinction,whereshe/heiscallingsynthetictruths"facts"andanalytictruths"truths".It'saprettystandardwayofthinkingaboutthedistinction.
– HunanRostomyan
Sep32013at5:12
@HunanRostomyan,IwasfirstthoughtthatanalyticthinkingisusedforFacts.Butnowhowtounderstandanalytic/syntheticdistinction?andasperyousuggestion,Ihavealsoaddedlogictag:)
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FollowingCarnap,Itakeanalytic/synthetictobenotionsrelativetoalanguagesystem(aka'logic')andaset(actuallyaconjunction)ofsentenceshecallsmeaningpostulates(aka'definitions'/'conventions').SentenceSiscalledanalyticinlanguagesystemLwithrespecttomeaningpostulatesPifandonlyifwhenthelogicalvocabularyofLisinterpreted,SbecomesalogicalconsequenceofP.Forexample:thesentence'ifJohnisabachelorthenJohnisunmarried'isanalyticinFOLwithrespecttomeaningpostulate'forallx,ifxisabachelorthenxisnotmarried'.
– HunanRostomyan
Sep32013at6:30
I'musedtohearing"fact"beusedtodescribeanytrueproposition.
– Dennis
Sep32013at13:15
@Dennis,thenwhatcanweusefor"truth"?
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Thequoteaboutfactsgetsitprettyright.Afactis,formanyphilosophers,apartofreality(Russel,forexample).Soastherearepeopleandtablesandchairsinourworld,thereisalsothefactthatIamsittingonthechair.Itisasrealasthechairitself.Youoftenseesomekindofbracketswhensomeonespeaksaboutfact,soforexample:convertsto"ThefactthatIamsittingonachair".
Truthisapropertyofsentences,propositions,utterances,whateveryoulike.Factscanthereforenotbetrue,inthesamewayasachaircannotbetrue.Statingafact,however,anddependingonyouropinion,hasatruthvalue.
Ithinkthesecondquoteabouttruthisabitproblematic.Itsoundsasifgoodargumentsalterreality.Butargumentscannotbetrue,theycanbevalid,andtheycanbetruthconserving.SoifIhaveanargumentfortheexistenceofgod,itisatbestvalid.Thatdoesnotmean,however,thatsuddenly,invirtueofthegoodargument,godcameintoexistence.
Edit:Moreontruth
Soononecommonviewthosethingsthatcanbetruearepropositions.Soameaningfulexressionwouldbe:Thepropositionthatsnowiswhiteistrue.
Ifyoubelievethatsentencesarethethingsthatcanbetrue,thenthiswouldbeanexample:Thesentence"Grassisgreen"istrue.
Mostpeoplebelievethatfactscannotbetrue:Theythinkthat"(Thefactthatgrassisgreen)istrue"isaweirdthingtosay.(Iusebracketstomakeclearthatthepredicate"istrue"referstothefact.Becauseotherwisetherecouldbeasecondreadingaboutthe(factthatgrassisgreenistrue),ifthereissuchafact)
Toconclude:(i)Thereisthefactthatgrassisgreen,and(ii)thepropositionthatgrassisgreenistrue.
Alsoitisworthpointingoutthattherearephilosopherswhosaythattherearenofacts,becausefactsareweirdontologicalthingsandmaybeyoucandowithoutthem.Sothisisjustonewaytoanswerthisquestion.
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Canyoupleasemoreelaborateyour"chair"examplefor"Truth"?.Ilittlebitgotaboutthe"Fact"forchairbutcouldnotunderstoodabout"Truth"forgivenexample.
– NullPointer
Sep32013at7:51
Toreword@Lukas'sveryvalidanswer:Achaircannotbe"true"."Thischairistrue"makesnosense.Similarly,itisafactthatIamcurrentlysittingonachair,and"Hisactofsittingonthatchairistrue"makesnosense.Truthdoesn'tapplytothings,actions,orstates.Truthispurelyapropertyofclaims*/*assertions.Soachaircan'tbetrue,myactofsittingonthechaircan'tbetrue,buttheassertion"Heissittingonthatchair"canbetrue.
– KenBellows
Sep32013at16:34
Ifixedthefirstparagraph,lastsentenceisnowactuallyunderstandable(bracketedexamplewerenotdisplayed).
– Lukas
Sep32013at19:03
@Lukas,CanyoupleasestillelaboratelittlemoreaboutexampleofTruthwithrespecttoFact?IgotanexampleforFactbutstilllittlewanttoclearaboutTruth.Canyougiveanotherexample?
– NullPointer
Sep62013at5:49
Thisanswerisspoton.Alloftheotheranswers(atthetimeofwriting)arecompletelyoffandhavenosupportwhatsoeverinphilosophy.
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IwanttomakesomegeneralpointsabouttheOP.
Firstly,youappeartobeaskingforhowthewordstruthandfactareused,butyoucapitalizethesewords.Thatalreadytendstoobfuscatetheissue,suggestingthereissomeveryspecial,possiblymetaphysical,usageyouarealludingto.
Secondly,inaskingforthemeaningofindividualwords,youaresuggestingthattheunitofmeaningisasingleword.Thisisnottrue,asanycursorylookinadictionarywilldemonstrate.Therearemultipleentriesforbothtruthandfact,notinthetheleastbecausethemeaningofthewordsismodifiedbytheircontext,andthatthereforetruthandfactcanhavemultiplemeaningsindifferentcontexts.
Now,ithappenstobethecasethatonesuchdictionaryentryfortruthis"conformingtothefacts"andforfact"aparticulartruthknown".ThisisfromtheOxfordDictionary,butIassumeanydictionarywouldhavesimilardefinitions.Thisonlygoestoshowthatinoneimportantsensetruthandfactareinterchangeable.
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Idon'tthinkthisanswersthequestion.TheOPadmitsthesewordscanbeusedinterchangeably,butislookingforsomedifferencebetweenthem.Youappeartobesayingthereisnodifferencebetweenthem.Itwouldhelptohavereferencestophilosopherswhotakethispositionthattruthandfactarethesamesothereadercangetmoreinformation.
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TheAnswerdoesn'tsaythat'fact'and'truth'areinterchangeable,onlythatinoneimportantsensetheyareso.Andthatwhethertheyareinterchangeabledependsoncontext.Itmighthavebeenusefultohaveexamplesbutthebasicclaimthatwordssuchas'fact'and'truth'donothavenuclear,essentialistmeaningsbutcontextuallydependentmeaningsstrikesmeassound.CfFrege:“Onlyinthecontextofasentencedowordshavemeaning.”.Differentcontexts,differentsentences,differentmeanings.Thisisasoundmethodologicalpointtomake.Helloagain,btw!Best-G
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Ithink'fact'haslargelyhaditsday;thenotionisseldomdiscussedbyphilosophersnowadaysmainlybecauseno-onehasbeenabletofindanon-circulardefinitionoranalysis.'Truth'enjoysvariablefortunes.
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Ithinkthisisthebestanswer,sofar,statingthenuancesofcontextbutalsothecontextualidentityoftheterms.
– NikosM.
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@GeoffreyThomas,Iwouldargueotherwise,insteadstatingthatfactistheonlynon-circulartruththeremightbe.Havingdirectreferenceoutsidethemeresymbolic
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Afactisaperceptionofreality.
Atruthisaperceptionwhichmatchesreality.
Thereisaniceparallelismwith[axiomatic]formalsystems:
Anaxiomisabuildingblockforpossibleworlds.
Atheoremisastatementaboutcertainpossibleworlds.
Ok,thatdidn'tturnoutquiteaswellasIhoped.Iwastryingtoestablishtheanalogy:
fact:truth::theorem:axiom
Thereisaweirdasymmetry:
fact↔theorem
truth↔axiom
Atleast,Iexpectedittoworktheotherwayaround.Theconventioninthisthreadhasfactsbeingpossiblywrong;wearemuchmoreusedtoaxiomsbeingpossiblywrong,forweonlycallsomethinga'theorem'ifithasbeenlogicallydemonstratedtoflowfromtheaxioms.Thenagain,ifwearetryingtoapproximatetheworldwithaformalsystem,weareessentiallysearchingforaxiomsthatgeneratetheoremswhichmatchthefacts.Inpictogramformat:
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Exceptingtautologies,truthsareunknowableexceptbyapproximation;wemustrememberthatsciencemodelsreality,butitdoesnotsaywhatrealityis.Modelsaremadeupofaxioms&theorems.Totheextentthatourtheoremsmatchourobservations('thefacts'),wethinkthatouraxiomsare[closeto]truths.
P.S.Theword'reality'inthisanswercanbereplacedwith'possibleworld';whatistrueinafictionalworldmaynotbetrueinouractualworld.Assumingthereisanobjectivereality,ofcourse.:-)
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Theappealto"perception"hereseemstobegcertainveryimportantquestions;namely,thattheremightbeasubstantialontologicaldifferencebetweenthethingsintheworldthatoughtproperlybeconsideredfactsandthethingsintheworldthatanobservercanformtruebeliefsabout.Youcanseethisquitewellonthemathsside,sinceit'samatterofphilosophicalandmathematicalcontroversytosaythattheonlyacceptablemodelsofmathematicalontologyarethoseisomorphictoaproof-theoreticsemanticstructure.
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@PaulRoss:thatisonepackedstatement!What'sanexampleofsomethingwhichisn't'aproof-theoreticsemanticstructure',whichisacandidatefordescribing'thingsintheworld'?
– labreuer
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howaboutsettheoreticmodels?Theideathattherearemoresetsthancanbegiveninpurelyconstructivetermsisquiteestablishedinanalysis.Andifwewantallofthatmathematicalpoweratourdisposal,usingsettheoreticfoundationsforlogicalstructurehasdefinitevalueoverandabovewhatcanbesaidofstrictlyformalprooftheory.
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Ithinkyou'reproposingsomethingradicallyatoddswithbothcurrentmathematicalpracticeandallofthecurrentlyliveproposalstoamendthatpractice,andsuggestyoumightwanttoinvestigatemoreofwhatiscurrentlyoutthere.Haveyoutried,say,lookingatideasinReverseMathematics,CategoryTheory,TypeTheoryoralternativeSettheories?
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@StevenHoyt:IjustcameacrossthefollowingquoteofWilliamJames:"Butpleaseobserve,now,thatwhenasempiricistswegiveupthedoctrineofobjectivecertitude,wedonottherebygiveupthequestorhopeoftruthitself.Westillpinourfaithonitsexistence,andstillbelievethatwegainaneverbetterpositiontowardsitbysystematicallycontinuingtorollupexperiencesandthink."(TheWilltoBelieve)I'mtakingarealistpositionthatyoucangetclosertothetruth.Withoutrealism(however'critical'youlike),Iseenodifferencebetween'fact'and'truth'.
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First,truthandfactaretwowordsmadebymen,sowehavetoexaminewhatmenmeanwhentheyusethewordtruth,andwhentheyusethewordfact.
Anewsreporterisalwaysremindedtoincludeanswersinreportinganewsitem,tothefollowinginterrogativeterms,whatIcallthefivew'sandoneh,namely:who,what,where,when,why,andhow.
So,letusstartwithwhatisafact?Itisawordindicatinganeventi.e.anoccurrenceintheworldthatisexperiencedbymen,forexamples:Itisafactthatdogsbark,itisafactthatthewomandeliveredababy,itisafactthatthemoonilluminatesthenightsky.
Andwhatisatruth,intheworldofhumankind?
Atruthistheoppositeofalie,assimpleasthat.
Wait,andwhatisalie?
Alieisacommunicationfromamanthatiscontrarytowhatknowsinhismind[somefolkswillfindmywordsherefamiliartothemselvesintheirschooldays].
So,truthandlieareoppositecorrelatives.
Examplesoflies:ajewelertellshiscustomerthattheringheissellingisadiamondring,butheknowstheringisafakediamondring,thediamondintheringisjustapieceofplainglass,next-anapplicanttoajobtellshisprospectiveemployerthathefinishedacollegedegreeofmechanicalengineering,butheknowshehasnosuchcollegedegree,ahusbandtellinghiswifehewasheldupbytrafficonhiswayhome,buthewasnotheldupbytraffic,insteadhedroppedinatthenewbarintown.
Inordinarycommunicationtruthandfactareusedinterchangeably,though.
Ifyouaskme,Iwilltellyouthattruthdependsonman'sexperiencesoffacts-however,hecouldbemistakenwithhisexperiencesoffacts;thisstilldoesnotmeanthatthereisnocertaintyatall-itjustmeansthateveryhumanmustcheckcarefullyforascertainingthatthefactsarereallyfacts,andnotmistakenfacts.
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truthisagenerallyacceptedoutcomeorreasoningwhilefactisaproventruth...inotherwordseveryFactisTruebutnotallTruthsarefacts.
Example1+1=2isafact(onlyoneresultproventruth),but2=1+1istruebutnotfact(infiniteresultas2=1x2,2=6-4,2=2+0toinfinity.
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Thestatement"2=1+1"doesnotruleoutalltheotherthingsthat2equals,soI'dsayitisafact.Byyourowndefinition"afactisaproventruth",youcantake2ofanythinganddivideitinto2of1item,sowejustproved2=1+1isafact.
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Inasense,sayfromdeflationarytheoryorpragmatismforinstance,factsandtruthsarelabels,waysoftalking.Botharelingual.Theonlydifferencethatmakesadifferenceisthatfactsareapparentandobviouswhileallpropositionsthataretruth-bearingrequirewarrant,justification.
Forexample,itisafactthattheskyisbluewhenitisblueandthatrosesthatareredarered...itisalsoafactthatcolorsdonotexist.
Ifwelookathowwe'reusingourvocabularies,thenwecanultimatelynoticeassomehaveinphilosophy,thatwhateverelsewe'dsayaboutfactsandtruthsarejustparticulardistinctionsagroupofpeoplehavefoundusefultomakeintheirsortofconversationsaboutthem.
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well,ifthatwasabadcomment,thenatleastthreepennaclephilosopherscanbediscarded.(ithelpstocommentifyou'regoingtogiveanegativevote;it'sconstructiveandsimplygoodetiquette)
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+1Iagreewithyouaboutnegativevoting.However,Iwouldlikemorereferences.Youmention"assomehaveinphilosophy".Whoarethesesome?
– FrankHubeny
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rorty,famouslyin"mirror"andtosomeextentwebegintogetthatinkantin"critique"(themorefamousone).wittgensteinandanentiregenreofcontinentalphilosophers,fromheiddeggertoderridaandtothemarixistslikeengel.theseareeachandintheirownway,ofcourse,butthenotionisthesocialnatureof"truth"andtheapparentnessproblemof"fact".hopethathelps.
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WelookINSIDEourselvestofindtruths.OUTSIDEofourselvestofindfacts.
•Chocolateisgood=Truth,notfact
•Ilovemymom=Truth,notfact
•Godexists=Truth,notfact
Manythingsexistintruth(accordingtoanobserver),andnotfact.Truthsneedanobservertoexist.Factsstandindependentofanobserver,wetherwelikeitornot.
•Thesunexists=fact
•Theearthorbitsthesun=fact
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Youranswerexplainsnothingandgivesnosourcesorreferences.Whatdoesthatmean,"tofindtruthsinside"?Istherechocolateinsideofyou?
– iphigenie
Feb92014at20:32
Ifmyanswerexplainsnothing,youmustnotreadverywell.No,chocolateisnotinsideme,butthepreferenceforitis.Truthsaresubjective,factsareobjective.Plainenoughforyou?
– Julian
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Noneedtogetrude.Ananswerhereissupposedtogivemorethanyouropinionand/orexamples.Ifyoudisagree,readtheFAQongoodanswers.Thatwasn'tbydownvote,whichmeansthatI'mnottheonlyonefindingyouranswernotuseful.
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AfactbydefinitionexpressessomethingMUSTforeverbeTRUE.Afactisnotvoteduponbyamajority.Afactisnotabelieforpercievedbyindividuals.Yourperceptionandyoursubjectivebeliefscanbewrongbutafactcanneverbewrongbydefinition.Ifyouthinkafactcanbewrong,thensomeoneoryoumadeawrongclaim,period.IfIsayallwomenare12feettall,allittakesisonesampletodisprovetheoriginalclaim.Onewomanwhoisnot12feettalldisprovestheoriginalclaimanditisAFacttheoriginalclaimisfalse.Afactcontainsveryspecificcontentthatpreventsamisreadingormisinterpretation.Inthiswaythetruthvalueofafactcanneverchange.Youcouldbeguiltyofusinglooselanguage(vagueorambiguousterminology)byavoidingthespecificstodeceiveothersorpersuadeothers.Youcanmisrepresentfacts.Thisiswhyclassicallogichadstrengthinfallacydetection.
Sometruthsarecorrespondingtruths.Thatis,theclaimmatchesthesenseverification.Soifitistruethatyouaresittinginachairrightnow,thisisverifiablebythesensesastrueorfalse.Oneshouldtakenoteyousittinginthechairisnotforevertrue.Thistruthwouldonlybetemporal.Thisgivestheimpressionsometruthsarerelativeorcontextual.Theverificationofthesensesisusuallywhatscienceusesasastandardoftruth.Objectivetruthsarenotalwaysverifiablethoughsoscientificthinkerswillclaimeithertherearenoobjectivetruthsornohumanwouldbeabletodetectthem.
Objectivetruthsareusuallyspokenaboutwhenoneclaimsapropositionistrueorfalse.Objectivetruthsareindependentandarenotbiased,opinionated,subjective,relative,votedupon,etc.Thetruthswouldbetrueeveniftherewerenohumans.Snakeswouldstillbereptiles.TheSunwouldstillbethesame,Jupiterwouldstillbethesame,additionwouldstillbethesame,subtractionstillthesame,plantlifestillthesame,etc.Tosaysomethingisobjectiveistosaythispropositiondoesnotchangeitstruthvalueovertime.SoinAristotelianlogicasyllogisminthemoodAAAinthefirstfigureisalwaysvalidwouldbeanexampleofanobjectiveclaim.Thisnotionifitistruewouldalsobeafact.SupposeIclaimxisobjectiveandendupbeingwrong?WellthenmyclaimwasobjectivelyfalsethesecondIutteredit.Evenifyoudon'tknowthetruthvalueofagivenpropositionthereusSTILLatruthvalue.Notknowingthetruthvalueisnoexcusetodenythetruthofapropositionproofornoproof.Propositionvaluesdonotdependonyourexistenceastheyareindependent.Theproposition"thereisaGod"hasatruthvaluewithorwithoutanexistingproof.Youjustmaynotknowthetruthvalue.Beingspecificaspossibleinsteadoftryingtogeneralizeasmuchwouldreducepossiblemisunderstandingsormisinterpretation.
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"Afactcontainsveryspecificcontentthatpreventsamisreadingormisinterpretation."—Soisthere"actionatadistance"betweenparticleswithmass,charge,and/orcolor?Isthatafact?Yourdefinitionof'fact'wouldappeartomakeanyandallempiricalstatementsunknowableasfacts.Thatleavesanalyticstatements,e.g.theoremswhichflowfromspecificaxiomsviaspecificrulesofinference.Andyet,theword'fact'isusedmorewidelythanthis.
– labreuer
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@labreuer,scienceusestheirownslang.Manysocialgrouphavetheirownslangamongstitsmembers&peopleoutsideofthemembershipwillnotKNOWtheslangcontextbeingused.Ifachildhearsthewordfactdoesthatchildexpectdifferentpeopletousetheexactsamewordindifferentways?NO!Thewordismeanttobeuniversaljustlikewordsliketriangle,stop,No,animal,etc.Thoseconceptscanbeunderstoodfairlyeasynomatterwhatlanguageweuse.Theydon'tdifferdependingonwhichstreetcorneryouareon.Scienceisallaboutprobability.Sciencecannotbe100%bydefinition.
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I'mafraidIdon'tknowwhatyoumeanby"veryspecificcontent",then.Outsideofanalytictruthsinformalsystems,thereisnothingmorespecificthanscience.Ithinkthereistensionbetween"veryspecificcontent"and"AfactbydefinitionexpressessomethingMUSTforeverbeTRUE."Thereisaninherenttrade-offbetweenspecificityandgeneralization.Howwedescriberealitychangeswithtime.Forexample,wenolongerthinktheearthisenclosedinaglassdome.Peryourstance,yourexampleof"TheSunwouldstillbethesame"reducesto"Sun=Sun",whichsaysverylittle.
– labreuer
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@@labreueryouareusingascienceslangthatmanypeopledonotuse.Childrenwouldnotknowyourslangbecauseitwillchangedependingontoomanythings.THENtheywouldgettheideanothingiscertain.ByspecificcontentImeanaddingproperdescriptionswherepossibleinsteadoftakingshortcuts.Objectivefactsneverchangesothatisnotaproblem.ThefactthatthingsCHANGEOVERTIMEtellsyouobjectivelythosethingswerenotfactsbutthingsBELIEVEDtobefacts.Thereisadifference.Whatpeoplebelieveorthinkaboutxismorepsychologythanphilosophy.
– Logikal
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Thereisnorequirementthatafactneedbeeternallytrue.Wedontevenknowiftheworldiseternal,butfactitis
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Factsarestatementswhichholdcorrectonthesubject'snature,property,incidentsorbehaviouretc.
Truthisaninstanceofquotingoneormanyofthefactswhiledescribingordiscussingthesubject.
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Thedifferencebetweentruthandfactisthatfactissomethingthatcannotbecombatedwithreasoning,foritislogicitself.Buttruthissomethingwhichdependsonaperson'sperspectiveandexperience.
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Factsarenotlogicitself.Logicisindependentofcontents.It'snotlogicthattellsusthatcellsmultiplybycleavage,orthatthedistancetothemoonvaries.Yournotionoftruthisalsoweird,sincetotallyrelativistic.Youranswerlackssources,andis,asitstands,nothingmorethanaunfoundedopinion.Pleasenotethatthisquestionalreadyhasanacceptedanswerthatiswaymoreelaborate.Maybeyoucouldtrytopointoutwhattheotheranswerislackinginsteadofjustaddingtothepile.
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ok,thanksforthecomment,butjustsayingIdon'tstudyphilosophyandI'monlyansweringquestionsforfun,butiwilltrytoimprovemyanswers
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@iphigenieWhatdoyoumeanby"Yournotionoftruthisalsoweird,sincetotallyrelativistic"?Ididn'tknowthattherewasanydisagreementinphilosophythatthetruthofapropositiondependsonthecontext,includingtheimplicitandexplicitassumptions.Iseenothingweirdwithexpectingthataperson'sperspectiveandexperiencewillinfluencethecontextandassumptionithaswhenjudgingthetruthofaproposition.Note:Ofcourseyouarerightwithyourothercriticismconcerningmissingreferences,existinggoodanswersandgeneralunclearformulationoftheanswer.
– ThomasKlimpel
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@ThomasKlimpelIdon'tnecessarilydisagreewithwhatyousaid.ButIvoteformakingthatnotionexplicit,and"somethingwhichdependsonaperson'sperspectiveandexperience"doesn'tlooklikeatruthdefinitionentryfromaphilosophicaldictionary,thereforeIwouldprefertohaveitelaborated.Also,astohistoricalnotionsoftruth,I'mprettysurethattherewasadiscussionaboutwhetherornottruthhasanythingtodowithsubjectivity.Whataboutancientcorrespondencetheories?
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Asyoucansee,Bonnie,thenotionthatTruthisdependentonaparticularcontextissomethingthatgetsphilosophersveryexcitable.Someofusthinkit'sagreatwayofdealingwithproblemsfortheoriesoftruthliketheLiarParadox(whichisdiscussedquiteofteninthisStackExchange),whilesomeofusthinkit'spullingthingstoofarfromnotionsofobjectiverealitytobecomfortablewithit.TheStanfordEncyclopediaofPhilosophyarticleonTruth(plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth)isaniceintroduction,ifyou'dliketoreadmore!
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